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Wondercon! It's still just a mini-San Diego Comic-Con!
I stopped going to Wondercon years ago, when I started going to San Diego Comic-Con. SD pretty much fulfills all my con needs; also, the SD people bought out Wondercon so it had turned into a mini-Comic Con anyway. I went once since it moved to SF, and wasn't impressed enough by the change of venue to want to go back again. This year, however, I dragged up cheezstk and thespianmobile on the notion that the media & entertainment panels would be easier to go to in SF than SD.

I was right; but I ended up only going to one anyway. L'sigh.

Some interesting things did come up in the DC & J. Michael Straczynski (aka JMS) panels that I sat through.

DC Universe: Countdown to Crisis panel

At the panel:
Kurt Busiek (writer)
Mark Bagley (artist)
Mike Carlin (editor)
Judd Winnick (writer)
Adam Beecham (writer)
Bob Wayne (sales)
Dan Didio (EIC)
Jann Jones (editorial?)
JMS (writer)

Possible spoilers [not Spoiler] ahead. Don't read if you don't want to hear any!


JMS:
First things first: it was announced at this panel that JMS would be moving away from being exclusive at Marvel comics to working on comics at DC. This just happened recently, and there's not yet (that they're admitting) anything specific that he's working on.



Winnick on Black Canary/Green Arrow:
It was originally going to be Black Canary dying instead of GA, but they changed their minds. They also thought it was soooo over the top that it would be obvious that GA wasn't really dead.

When the subject moved to Conner's recent... troubles (and after we boo'd him), he stated "I'm the schmuck that brought back Jason Todd. It'll be ok.".. though maybe not for some time, he pointed out. He also claims that all questions such as why Connor was shot, why Ollie was kidnapped, etc, would be answered soon.



Adam Beecham on Batgirl:
There will be a new Batgirl mini coming out. It will "answer all your[sic] questions" about her behavior over the past few years. And clean everything back up. *rolls eyes* It sounds like she's gotten some of the treatment they gave Nightwing with just completely screwing up her personality.



Busiek & Bagly on Trinity:
This will be a big, sprawling story, that started off as an idea from Busiek. It will eventually have most of the DCU in it, and will not be tied on a monthly basis to whatever is going on in the other comics.

It's going to have 2 stories: the "front" story will always have Supes/Batman/WW in it, and will be 12 pages. The "back" story will be 10 pages and will show other things that are going on in the DCU & will NOT have any of the big three in it. This'll be showing us information that even the Big 3 might not know.

The first "back" story will be info on the villian's, the 2nd starts a battle that goes into the front story of issue 3, etc.

The "back" story will be co-written by Busiek and Fabian Nicieza.

As the story continues, the side characters in the "back" story will be "more important than you[sic] think".



All-Star Batgirl:
This is on hold. Geoff Johns & JG Jones was supposed to do it, but they got busy with other things. It might be done later with a different team.



Batwoman:
She will be an integral part of the DCU, but she will not have her own book. She'll be seen "semi-regularly".



Winnick on more Barry Wein:
He says that he misses drawing it, and - despite not really meaning this the past 4-5 years that he's said it - he's actually kicking around a new Barry Wein story. He stated that he misses it.



Winnick on the new book, Titans [starring the Wolfman/Perez Teen Titans]:
Tempest will be back in the book. Really. Seriously. Eventually.



Green Lanterns & Blackest Night:
It will be next year. It will be both a big DCU & GL story. Blackest Night is NOT the Final Crisis.



Final Crisis:
Martian Manhunter will have a very prominent role in Final Crisis.

A Flash always dies in Crises. Will Wally die? Maaaayyyyybbbbeeeeeee.

Despite Hawkman dying a lot, he does not have a large part in Final Crisis. He's got a much larger role in Rann/Thanagar: Holy War. [He will also be in Trinity starting in issue 6.]

The Great Disaster DOES NOT EQUAL Final Crisis. However, it will be part of Countdown.

The Alpha Lanterns will take a part in Final Crisis, but the Sinestro Corps won't.

The Rogues will be in the early issues of Final Crisis.



And finally: the never before released (according to Didio) tagline of Final Crisis:
The Day Evil Wins.

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rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: February 25th, 2008 04:20 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
Geoff Johns, isn't it ? and I agree; the past couple of years of that has been really lovely both on building on what it did itself - can't think how long it's been since I've had a glurk moment from a mainstream comic like I did from the reveal of the major villains in Sinestro Corps War - and on reaching back into the history of the title, the bizarre Alan Moore prophecies of the end of everything that are now being actually invoked.

Sometimes it feels to me that everything DC has done since, oh, the Death of Superman, is a more or less targeted flailing around for "no, this bit is Really Significant, really, honest", accompanied with more or less competent attempts to make large chunks of stuff that happened in the past turn out to have been leading this way all along. There are a number of kind of cool incidentals in the lead-in to Final Crisis that to my mind are just being rushed almost to death, which is a shame - well, that and some lousy actual writing, very few people have Grant Morrison's touch for resurrecting the forgotten minor character and giving them some substance. I think most of what's wrong with it in concept is just not having given it twenty years since the last one this time, though, twenty years of the post-Infinite Crisis multiverse would have been an awful lot of fun; that and whoever it is that's being bloody-minded about Captain Atom/Monarch.

Edited at 2008-02-25 04:21 pm (UTC)
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merhawk From: merhawk Date: February 25th, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
For GL, feel free to spoil away.

I'll get to your other comment later today.
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richboye From: richboye Date: February 25th, 2008 05:37 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
How does Star Sapphire figure into this? Is she an avatar of Violet (or Indigo?).
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rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: February 25th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
Violet is love, Indigo is compassion. Which seems a particularly odd emotion to fuel zapping people with brightly coloured energies, but we shall see.
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rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: February 25th, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
So I'll say right here and now that originally, when they retconned Parallax into the Yellow Impurity and the reason that Hal went apeshit, and combined with the whole "emotional spectrum of colors" garbage, my first thought was, "Well. That's... incredibly fucking lame."
But you know, if you can get past that notion... it actually kinda works.


The Parallax entity is one of those things that, summarised, sounds like a nine-year-old's solution to a plot problem; I think it does work, largely because of how well it's written. The emotional spectrum thing I think appeals to me because it is acknowledging the magical thinking there, as well as providing a broader solution space than the Triumph of the Will thing that less well-written bits of GL have often done, which is both a cheap resolution to narrative tension and leaves a nasty taste behind, IMO.

Then, the Sinestro Corp, which was almost 100% pure genius. (I am ambivalent on resurrecting the Anti-monitor, and I could really stand to see Superboy Prime just die.)

Prime sucks, but again, at least Johns was writing him well. as and for the Anti-monitor being back, I think that would have hung over the DCU ever since the reveal of the new multiverse and the 52 monitors thereof, and could have been done a lot worse.

Sinestro as now written is 137% pure genius. He is exactly the kind of villain I love-- he's not an asshole for the sake of being an asshole. He's an asshole because he thinks he's right, and he's a strategist, in that he forces you to win by means that undermine you entirely.

Agreed absolutely.

Not to mention, the scene from a while ago when the Yellow Ring sought out an Earth bearer and it's first choice was.... Batman.

I didn't see that - have been kind of scrambling to catch up since noticing how good this current run was, but that makes sense on a lot of levels; not just how well it fits character-wise, but that without direct experience of the yellow impurity, Bruce Wayne just is not ever going to trust that explanation for Parallax or be able to work with Hal Jordan in some ways; how did it play out ?

So, yes. Yes I am looking forward to the Blackest Night thing, where I gather that the Black Rings are the rings of death.

The sigil in the two page splash for it at the end of Sinestro Corps War was Black Hand's, and that would be a deeply obscure character to bring back in a major role at this point.

I am trying to imagine Solomon Grundy with a Ring.
Or. You know. The Spectre.


Heh.

I suspect that the failure mode Blackest Night will have to steer closest to will be the temptation to encompass as much of the DCU as possible and give rings to lots and lots of people and risk diluting the impact overly much; you've seen the promo image of Mongul with a yellow and a green ring, and a red one apparently floating down to him in a beam of light, yes ? Mongul's not that much of a character thus far IMO, but I'd be willing to see what Johns does with him. I suspect that if Ganthet is at all serious about blue rings as the power of hope, Superman will end up at least being offered one, and I don't know whether the image of Doomsday with a red ring (assuming he did not just crush it) that that suggests to me is appealing or appalling.

fwiw, my bet for the commanding wearer of a black ring, modulo the events of the next few months working out as I expect ?

Darkseid. He's just too cool a Superman villain not to be the supposed last one left standing after the death of the New Gods. [ Which is uneven but I am liking it on the whole. ]

Edited at 2008-02-25 07:40 pm (UTC)
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From: puppybrother Date: February 26th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
The Batman thing was all of maybe a page or so, tucked in one of the issues before it was clear what was going on. I think the ring rejected him because he had used a Green one before.

That appears to be the case. I thought that Bats refused, but a quick review of the Wizard retrospective issue confirms that it detected previous ring exposure.
rysmiel From: rysmiel Date: February 26th, 2008 03:53 pm (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
It does sound like a nine-year-old's solution to the problem, but still, it works.

That was not meant as a slam; I think it works so well because it hits the psychological fundamentals in ways a nine-year-old could grok.

I also had the impression-- possibly quite false-- that the Black Rings were going to be tuned to death, somehow. Thus my Solomon Grundy and Spectre suggestions.

That's how I was reading the black rings as well. I don't know about the Spectre, though; he has the Superman lack of needing any more power squared.

On Mongul, I couldn't tell from the image I saw if the third ring was Red, or Orange.

It looked very red to me, but that could have been an artifact of the printing.
merhawk From: merhawk Date: February 29th, 2008 05:48 am (UTC) (Permanent Entry Link)
No, I really haven't been following the reboot that much. I was reading the Hal Jordan GL book for a while, but it started to get stale to me. And Johns has always pissed me off with the attitude (that I get from all of this) that to rebuild Hal he needs to pull down Kyle.

He doesn't need to attempt to destroy another character just to make his favorite be the biggest, coolest, one again. I found it annoying & grating, and just couldn't read GL.

I tried picking up the Sinestro War in the store, but the art was giving me headaches. Blech.
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